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Tuesday, July 26 2005 08:53 AM EDT

Contributed by: rjs162

The Check-Min Raise

Lately I have been playing alot of tournaments and there is one play that always happens and yet it boggles the mind when I see it.

The Check-Min Raise

What is its purpose and why do people always use it?

I always take it to be a sign of weakness but I am probably costing myself some money by calling it and seeing the turn. Is there anything that I am missing about this bet?

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	The Check-Min Raise
	Authored by: messiahmoose on Tuesday, July 26 2005 @ 08:59 AM EDT
	Yeah, I don't like that play either. If I'm on a bluff or a subpar hand, like A-crap-kicker or bottom pair, that'll be enough for me to drop the hand. Basically I see it as "weak, but not as weak as I am." I love it with a flush draw or the like. If the flush hits, you're friggin' golden. --- -Please describe your level of play- [_] Expert [_] Semi-Expert [X] Fool who thinks he's an expert, but is about to learn a cruel lesson [ Reply to This ]

	The Check-Min Raise
	Authored by: cotter111 on Tuesday, July 26 2005 @ 09:03 AM EDT
	The Check-Min Raise You are prolly running into this more and more people are reading my book " Dumb Moves to Make at the Poker Table So You Can Piss Away Your Chips before You Get A Good Hand" by 9SBC) ( $2.25 at Barnes & Noble". This move is in chapter 5 follwed by the " Check-Min Raise fold to a Re-raise move in Chapter 6. I've incorporated these two moves along with the always popular " Limping From EP at a Table Full of Sharks". These moves have help make me the player I am to day ( fooking broke) and can do the same for you. JK RJ you're right I've got no idea what this move is supposed to mean. I was at a 6 handed table the other night where EVERY BET or Raise was a MIN???? I'd like to see Sklansky or one of the other math gurus put this bunch on a range of hands. --- Cotter111 on PS & FT I just wanna be more like me and less like you [ Reply to This ]

	The Check-Min Raise
	Authored by: Shean on Tuesday, July 26 2005 @ 09:18 AM EDT
	I have some theories: 1. The player(s) who do this check-min raise move are newbies to online poker who click the "raise" button before or without even considering entering the amount of the raise, so the computer puts in the minimum raise. 2. The player(s) are experienced, have a made hand, and want to build the pot somehow so that they make more money. However, they don't want to raise too much because that might drive customers out. 3. This move may be an effective way to thin the field for a minimum price. Let's say there are 5 players to the flop and the 1st person to act will be our check-min raiser. He checks the flop, as do the 2nd and 3rd people. 4th person bets and 5th calls. Mr. Check-min Raise may do this move to drive out the 2nd and 3rd players who still have yet to act by forcing them to call a bet and a raise. Even though the raise is only a minimum one, sometimes when you're faced with a bet and a raise, any raise, some players will fold thinking either the better or the raiser has a better hand. So if the 2nd and 3rd players both fold, Mr. Check-min Raise just got 2 opponents to fold without having to commit a lot of chips to the pot. 3. An experienced player might use this play as a bluff. He wants you to be thinking "He wants me to call, why else would he raise so little? Even though my pot odds are good, I'm gonna fold because he has to have a good hand. He's just trying to sucker me into losing more chips." And if the bluff doesn't work, he hasn't invested a lot of chips and can easily fold on a later street. In short, this play can mean a lot of things, and because we can't "see" our opponents make the bet at online tables, it's very effective. If the bettor has you scratching your head as to the purpose of the bet, he's done his job... whether he's an experience player who's intending this reaction or a rookie who accidentally stumbled onto this noodle-scratcher. [ Reply to This ]

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