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ALWAYS PROTECT YOUR HAND   

Date / Time: 2005-07-08 16:04:00
Title: ALWAYS PROTECT YOUR HAND
Log: This tournament has just had two simultaneous, brilliant examples of why you see players putting chips and various other objects on top of their hole cards. It's not just for show.

Instance #1 - With the board showing A-J-8-J-2 a player with a made full house (8-8 in his hand) decides to posture for a bit. He stands up, and acts as if he's got a difficult decision to make. Finally he sits back down, picks up his cards, puts them in front of his chips, and starts to count out his bet. As he's counting, the dealer takes his cards and slides them into the muck. The man disputes the call, and the floor is called. The floor reinforces the dealer's explanation: it is the player's responsibility to protect his or her hand. Once a card has been mucked, it cannot be retrieved. The hand is dead.

Instance #2 - Meanwhile, on another table, just as the dealer is explaining to the player in seat #1 that he should always protect his hand, the player in seat #2 attempts to fold, and accidentally tosses them on top of seat #1's cards. The floor's ruling is the same: always protect your hand. If your cards touch mucked cards, your hand is also dead. The player in this case was forced to leave his $200 call in the pot. In a show of remorse, seat #2 attempts to reimburse the man for his lost $200 bet, and although the floorman respects the decision, he also states that chip exchange is also illegal, and cannot occur.

In both instances, all parties involved handled themselves with dignity and respect for tournament staff, despite the potential for emotional outbursts.



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ALWAYS PROTECT YOUR HAND
Authored by: psmith1 on Friday, July 08 2005 @ 07:30 PM EDT
oooops...didnt mean to repost the same thing. Ha my appologies, yours hadnt been submited when I was posting and I looked back and here it was.

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ALWAYS PROTECT YOUR HAND
Authored by: Troy Maskell on Friday, July 08 2005 @ 07:35 PM EDT
Which is why you should always have something to cap your chips.

I use an old Australian Penny (We've had decimal currency since the 70's so it's old. Plus it's a lucky penny. Three times in tourneys with it. Three times cashed) and watch to make sure no mucked hands touch mine.

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There's a bit of CBL in all of us.

Bill Fillmaff is my hero

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ALWAYS PROTECT YOUR HAND
Authored by: Troy Maskell on Friday, July 08 2005 @ 07:37 PM EDT
Cap your cards I mean. Jeez. I was thinking about re-raising from the last post I looked at

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There's a bit of CBL in all of us.

Bill Fillmaff is my hero

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ALWAYS PROTECT YOUR HAND
Authored by: scolapasta on Friday, July 08 2005 @ 07:54 PM EDT
So what would happen in this situation?

Hand 1: Player A plays 83o vs. Player B's AA. Flop is A82. All the chips go in and Player A sucks out when turn and river are both 8s. Player A has B barely covered, so he virtually doubles up, and Player B is left with 1 chip.

Hand 2: Player C (chip leader) raises a large amount, and Player A goes all in behind him and puts a chip on his cards to protect. Now Player B, still pissed and not really caring what happens as he's down to his last chip, folds, throwing his cards purposefully on player A's cards.

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Obviously, I'm just having fun with this creative example, but I could easily imagine something like this happening.

What would the ruling be?

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ALWAYS PROTECT YOUR HAND
Authored by: Troy Maskell on Friday, July 08 2005 @ 08:13 PM EDT
It would depend on whether the dealer saw it as a deliberate attempt at sabotaging player A

If yes nothing.

If No then Player A's hand goes dead too

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CBL, to hell with the rest.

Bill Fillmaff is my hero

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ALWAYS PROTECT YOUR HAND
Authored by: kingoftheice on Friday, July 08 2005 @ 08:19 PM EDT
If the cards were still distinguishable from the mucked ones, any floorperson worth anything would let the cards play. And Mr. Muck would get a pretty stern warning, I'm sure... maybe even a time penalty.

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[K♦]oftheice

Move Zig for Great Justice.

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