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Party Poker Rigged   

General NewsI have played thousands of hands of Texas-Hold’Em at Party Poker (ring games, all different limits). If you think for one minute that the games are legitimate you are dead wrong. Party-Poker is rigged so that eventually YOU WILL LOSE ALL OF YOUR MONEY – period.

I am 39 years old and have been playing poker in B&M environments for twenty five years, that’s right since about age 14. I have an Associate of Science degree and I am currently working on a Bachelor’s of Science in Mechanical Engineering on a part time basis at on of our nations leading technical colleges, I have also programmed turnkey computer applications related to mechanical drafting and design. In other words, I didn’t “just fall off the boat” and I just didn’t start playing poker yesterday. I am a consistent B&M winner. I’ve been in plenty of crooked B&M games in my time and I can tell the difference between a legitimate game and a crooked game. Unfortunately, I kept telling myself that Party-Poker “had to be legit, I mean come on why wouldn’t they be. . .” Several thousand dollars later, I wised up.

All of the posts that I have read on this site that claim Party-Poker is a rip-off and the descriptions that they give of how the hands go and how the customer service is terrible, are right on the money. It’s the people who claim that Party-Poker is legitimate that are the crack-pots and not the “conspiracy theorists.” Let me tell you something – Corporations are legally bound to do one thing and one thing only – increase the wealth of the share holders, at any cost. To think that they would not be dishonest is incredibly naïve.

I know what you pro-online-poker people are thinking and what you will say to this post. “Where is your proof, post your hand histories.” It would be pointless to post hand histories when they are nothing but ASCII text files that can be manipulated by anyone at will - the debate lives on. Instead of relying on hand histories why don’t you trust your intuition, your intelligence, and your gut? They should be screaming at you that you are in a crooked game. You know when you get beat by someone who stays in the pot (no matter how much you raise) with absolutely nothing only to catch the single card in the deck that can beat you that something is not right (this happens time and time again). The something that’s not right is this – THE SITE IS RIGGED.

The best thing you can do is to STAY AWAY FROM PARTY-POKER. If you already have an account, close it while you still have some money left. I also have had similar experiences with other on-line gambling sites (not poker) and have come to the same conclusions – THEY ARE RIGGED SO THAT YOU WILL LOSE.

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.

PS. – I am still waiting for Party-Poker to actually close my account, they don’t seem to want to let me go. If I try to log on, the screen says something to the effect that my account has been “temporarily frozen”. This is after several emails, and phone calls. Meanwhile my sensitive personal information remains in their system even after I have screamed at those idiots at customer service to DELETE MY ACCOUNT – If you’re from PP and you read this – DELETE MY ACCOUNT ALREADY YOU IDIOTS. Same thing goes for Epassporte (another rip-off) they also will not let go of my account. Why would a legitimate company behave in this manner?

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: rejackt on Monday, April 18 2005 @ 11:11 AM EDT
Wow man, you get around. I just saw this meaningless rant over at UPF. You are one angry loser.

Heres an idea: Instead of throwing away "thousands of dollars" playing bad poker, try buying a few good poker books. You have a major leak in your game if you have lost that much on "the world's softest site." You need to seriously look at your game and learn to make adjustments for loose play.

Ive been playing at Party for 1 1/2 years. Ive never come close to losing that much. Its the site thats provided the most profit for me in ring games. Take responsibility for your actions. Or quit poker before you end up living on the streets.

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: Ryan on Monday, April 18 2005 @ 11:32 AM EDT
Actually, a man of your "education" should be the first to realize that this is an easy, overplayed, and dumb rationalization for your losing streak that no one cares about.

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: duquedelsol on Monday, April 18 2005 @ 11:19 AM EDT
Andy (or Viper or any other admin) - can we just delete this post - there is no good that can come from it...

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David G
Hampstead NC

Reigning Candyland World Champion

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: TP222 on Monday, April 18 2005 @ 11:21 AM EDT
WHY?


Is Viper an admin and I am not???

;-)

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TP[2♥][2♦][2♣] everywhere

Good Luck to Tony, his wife, and his bambino!

Good Luck to Galaxy 500, AudiTT, Matt, Andy! DO US PROUD AND GET THERE!

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: duquedelsol on Monday, April 18 2005 @ 11:29 AM EDT
Viper had admin priviledges at one point when andy was away - not sure if he still does...

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David G
Hampstead NC

Reigning Candyland World Champion

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: ChicagoMike22 on Monday, April 18 2005 @ 11:37 AM EDT
Well I definately believe that he is working on his BS...

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: Devil on Monday, April 18 2005 @ 11:35 AM EDT
Guys. I have to agree with him. It's true and here is proof:

http://www.billrini.com/archives/001169.html

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: DevilFlush on Monday, April 18 2005 @ 11:49 AM EDT
Now THAT's funny--I don't care who you are.

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: Galaxy 500 on Monday, April 18 2005 @ 11:37 AM EDT
"I know what you pro-online-poker people are thinking and what you will say to this post. “Where is your proof, post your hand histories.” "

Actually, what they are saying is, if this is true, why do i win so much money on Party?

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: dbtony on Monday, April 18 2005 @ 11:41 AM EDT
We all know his frustration. I had wondered as well if these sites 'reward' the loose play of chasers. Although I can't prove it, you all know where I stand.

FIX

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This is a song about a superhero named Tony....it's called Tony's Theme

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: Dan_o on Monday, April 18 2005 @ 12:59 PM EDT
Actually, when I was reading this, I was thinking. Oh Dbtony, you don't need to change your wpt username to post this rant, just use your real name.

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Sure, I suck now, but wait til my vas deferens are severed!

Still--The Best of the Best!

Variation of dan-o on ps, ftp, paradise, party, and ub

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: duquedelsol on Monday, April 18 2005 @ 11:43 AM EDT
Here is the reason this post needs to be deleted...

This guy has an agenda...he posted his thoughts - and will never post here again - except to repost how bad PP is...he obviously doesn't read this site because we NEVER talk about how bad PP is - most of the talk is "God - this site is great - it's so full of fish"

So we are going to hash this post all day and all night while he is laughing his ass off and hoping to collect whatever he is getting from whatever else to post this propoganda...

And while I am all for people with rational arguments wanting to debate - that is not what this is...this guy has done what he intended to do - and is gone...

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David G
Hampstead NC

Reigning Candyland World Champion

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: cottes on Monday, April 18 2005 @ 11:48 AM EDT
Duq The Thread Killer Strikes Again

Well said Duq

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Cotter111 on PS and FT
CEO/CFO
COTTER INC





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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: codster on Monday, April 18 2005 @ 11:48 AM EDT
I used to think so too, but I personally think the sites have too much to lose if they did get caught cheating. If it were one person running the whole site then it could be easily covered up but these sites have numerous employees and surely there would be a leak if they ever were fixing games and hands.

Here is an interesting article from pocketfives.com:

http://www.pocketfives.com/40ED5554-E9AF-4475-9E1F-E7624DBB08E8.aspx

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: Big Blind on Monday, April 18 2005 @ 11:55 AM EDT
"It would be pointless to post hand histories when they are nothing but ASCII text files that can be manipulated by anyone at will...

Kinda like your ASCII moronic rant here?

"Instead of relying on hand histories why don’t you trust your intuition, your intelligence, and your gut?

Well, for someone who (supposedly) is studying the sweet science of Mechanical Engineering, you should follow the scientific method. And this includes providing consistent & conclusive proof of your point. Hand histories are a good way to support this. Also, what have you learned in your Engineering Statistics class? Even if you're a 80% favorite, 20% of the time you'll lose. Just because you get drawn out occasionally doesn't mean that the site is rigged.

And really, if you were having such a bad go of it, why did you only stop playing after losing "...several thousand dollars..."?

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: craniac24 on Monday, April 18 2005 @ 12:09 PM EDT
I agree. It's rigged. Just ask Vinnie the loanshark...you can see him driving around southwestern CT in a white Lexus.

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: Devil on Monday, April 18 2005 @ 12:12 PM EDT
*scowls* I still haven't forgiven you.

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: craniac24 on Monday, April 18 2005 @ 12:13 PM EDT
What are you wearing?

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: cottes on Monday, April 18 2005 @ 12:16 PM EDT
Please, someone hijack this thread. Enough of giving this any credence.

And if craniac can't do it no one can. Cmon crane work you perverse magic.

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Cotter111 on PS and FT
CEO/CFO
COTTER INC





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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: craniac24 on Monday, April 18 2005 @ 12:19 PM EDT
Pipe down old man. I'm trying to get Devil to talk dirty to me. It's been awhile since she and I had our little romp and I'm feeling a little frisky.

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: mk on Monday, April 18 2005 @ 12:22 PM EDT
A true pervert would talk dirty to Cotter. I think you're just a poser craniac.

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: cottes on Monday, April 18 2005 @ 12:28 PM EDT
Please Mk I don't need this. just the thought of it sends shivers down my spine.

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CEO/CFO
COTTER INC





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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: rjs162 on Monday, April 18 2005 @ 12:29 PM EDT
You set yourself up by revealing all of that personal info in your other post today.

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: cottes on Monday, April 18 2005 @ 12:31 PM EDT
Just because I have a male life partner ( not that there's anything wrong with that ) doesn't mean I wan't craniac talking dirty to me.
* shudders*

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Cotter111 on PS and FT
CEO/CFO
COTTER INC





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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: Devil on Monday, April 18 2005 @ 12:22 PM EDT
Ok, Crane - time to break some bad news. I'm not really 5'9", 29 (for the second time), blonde and relatively thin.

I'm about 5'2", 190 lbs, I have about 6 of my original teeth left, stretch marks on my belly from the 8 children I've had and I'm really 58-years-old with deep, deep wrinkles and a cackly voice from smoking 8 packs of cigarettes a day.

So, what am I wearing, you ask? A lime green baby tee that says "Hottie" with black, lycra running shorts that cut into my dimpled thighs.

Yum-ee, eh? (mouthing with pretend phone up to ear) "Call me"

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: rdmd97 on Monday, April 18 2005 @ 12:24 PM EDT
Nothin like a good piece of trailer trash...

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"It seems poker's just not your game Ike. I know, let's have a spelling contest!"

"Your so money and you don't even know it!"

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: craniac24 on Monday, April 18 2005 @ 12:26 PM EDT
Lycra running shorts = Camel Toe. Yum.


Did I just say that out loud?

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: Devil on Monday, April 18 2005 @ 12:28 PM EDT
God. There is no way of silencing you, is there? *OBSERVER CHAT OFF*

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: craniac24 on Monday, April 18 2005 @ 12:33 PM EDT
I can think of at least one way.....D'OH!

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: TP222 on Monday, April 18 2005 @ 01:06 PM EDT
LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOO!

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TP[2♥][2♦][2♣] everywhere

Good Luck to Tony, his wife, and his bambino!

Good Luck to Galaxy 500, AudiTT, Matt, Andy! DO US PROUD AND GET THERE!

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: Dan_o on Monday, April 18 2005 @ 01:02 PM EDT
How you doing?

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Sure, I suck now, but wait til my vas deferens are severed!

Still--The Best of the Best!

Variation of dan-o on ps, ftp, paradise, party, and ub

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: badtony on Monday, April 18 2005 @ 04:33 PM EDT
Sweet Jesus, now you're talkin'.

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: rdmd97 on Monday, April 18 2005 @ 12:22 PM EDT
I think we need another mk joke, movie quote, or something else challenge to push this post as far away as possible...

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"It seems poker's just not your game Ike. I know, let's have a spelling contest!"

"Your so money and you don't even know it!"

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: middleway on Monday, April 18 2005 @ 12:26 PM EDT
Ok here is one for your kids...

Why can't little kids go see Pirate Movies??????












Because they are rated RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: DevilFlush on Monday, April 18 2005 @ 01:29 PM EDT
Any other week, and this joke had a chance, but not when stated soon after the I Eat Mop joke...

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: middleway on Monday, April 18 2005 @ 12:23 PM EDT
WOW---I am not an online player like most fo these guys are so I have absolutely no opinion on whether it's fixed or not, I have no clue on it. But and its a big but if most of these guys say it's OK I tend to go along with them. This is what really confuses me though, you said........

I didn’t “just fall off the boat” and I just didn’t start playing poker yesterday. I am a consistent B&M winner. I’ve been in plenty of crooked B&M games in my time and I can tell the difference between a legitimate game and a crooked game.


Why play in a crooked B & M game then? Maybe you are just upset over a losing streak your on or just fade up with playing for a while but you are making some pretty heavy accusations here!

Hope everything works out ok for you...

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: TheFakeG on Monday, April 18 2005 @ 12:53 PM EDT
Huh? I just played a couple of hours last night on the Stud H/L tables thanks to my free $$$$....quadrupled my bankroll within 100 hands thanks to some big hands and some serious fish.

Oh wait, maybe *I'm* the one riggin' the game in my favor! (evil grin)

Seriously, thanks to all of you guessing telling your stories about PP - good to help a brotha out once in a while.



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You can't stop the CBL, you can only hope to contain it!

For what it's worth: BKrywko1 on PS and AP

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: Shean on Monday, April 18 2005 @ 02:58 PM EDT
Note to the poster of this entry:

Your message, in case you can't tell, if falling on deaf (or indifferent) ears. PartyPoker has built a reputation as an honest poker site; otherwise why would so many people play there? PP, or any other poker site for that matter, has no reason to cheat its customers because it wants as many people on their sites playing as many hands as possible in order to get the maximum rake. These sites don't care who wins and who loses, only that they continue to rake hands.

Are people who read your post going to stop playing poker on PP or online? No. Do you come across as a paranoid loser who's looking for other reasons to blame for losses rather than your own play? Yes.

B&M poker games are a lot different from online games, both in the quality of play and the speed of play. To share a story... I was sitting at a table with a player who called a bet on the turn with T-8 os with the board of 2-4-A-5. A 3 hit on the river, giving him and the better a Wheel and they split the pot. The pot was average for the game ($25 or so in a $3/$6 game). I asked him why he called on the turn. His answer? "I was hoping to split the pot." Was this guy an idiot? Yes. Would I like to have him in every poker game I play in? Absolutely!

Players like those in the above story are on all poker sites, but I believe that they are on PP in considerable abundance because Mike Sexton is the spokesman for PP and many new players start playing Internet poker after watching Sexton commentate WPT final tables. Because these new players don't know how to play "proper" poker (i.e. not drawing to gutshot str8 draws when you're getting 3-1 pot odds), they often stick around in pots when they shouldn't. Furthermore, as hard as it is to believe, some new online poker players aren't in it to win money, but for the thrill of laying a bad beat on a player to take a pot away from a player with a substantial statistical advantage. Because you have "only" lost a few thousand dollars, I can only assume that the highest limits you've played online are probably $5/$10 limit or $1/$2 NL. At these stakes and lowers, the players are fish who stick around with any 2 cards until the river. As you know, the good starting hands (AA, KK, QQ, AK, etc.) don't play well in a huge multiway pot filled with players who don't fold or "respect" raises.

Poker is an ever-changing game. After Brunson first published "Super System," he admitted that he had to change his game in order to adapt to the style of play of this opponents, new and old. Online poker is a completely different animal from the B&M games that you have routinely beat for the past 20+ years. However, you are trying to play the same B&M game that has worked for you for the past 2 decades against a new generation of poker players on a computer site where visual tells are non-existent. Perhaps it is time to either adapt your game, or stick to the B&M games you can beat.

If you believe that you are being cheated, by all means, pull your money and close your account. However, you will have no luck convincing the hardcore poker enthusiasts who visit and contribute to this site with your "conspiracy theory" that PP (or any other poker site) is rigged to get you to lose your money. I have also heard conspiracy theories about the new automatic shufflers installed at some B&M poker rooms (i.e. the shuffler sets the cards in a particular order to assure a lot of action and a maximum rake). Furthermore, contrary to some people's belief, poker is a form of gambling. If a person spikes that one miracle card on the river to beat your hand, then the chance was always there for you to lose. The pot is not yours when you are a 95% favorite, but there is a really good possibility that it'll be pushed your way when the smoke clears.

Welcome to the new age of poker, where the fish are plentiful, but if the fish work together (i.e. all play "bad" poker), they can collectively overpower the whales.

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: Stepchap on Saturday, August 01 2009 @ 07:33 PM EDT
you are a FUCKING IDIOT!!

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: TEX1958 on Monday, July 09 2007 @ 05:15 AM EDT
There is no doubt that "Party poker" IS RIGGED !!

I was considering playing for real money but, wanted to see how the play money games went first.
It is absolutely "UNREAL" !!
I consistantly had bad beats....Pocket ACES, KINGS or QUEENS or JACKS beaten by a STRAIGHT by someone playing 4,7 or 6,8 or 5,7!!
If I flop 2 pair say A,J or K,10 then I would be beaten by a STRAIGHT or FLUSH
If I flopped a STRAIGHT or a FLUSH then would be beaten by a larger one. It is really "UNBELIEVEABLE" the way it is rigged for BAD BEATS!!!

It's not rigged in favor of anyone in particular but, there does seem to be a "HOT SEAT" every so often that will win 3,4,or 5 hands in a row..
BLUFFING at a table with 10 people is next to IMPOSSIBLE!!! Too many people playing "TRASH" hands.
It appears to be set up to give several people playable hands then on the flop it pairs a few players and gives others straight or flush draws
to intice the betting.
There is no "RANDOM DEALING" of the the cards. The BOARD consistantly either pairs or plops 3 or 4 of a suit
It really is laughable !!
I did manage to play long enough to gain a couple hundred thousand chips but then here is the clincher to "PROVE" it's RIGGED!!!
I went to an empty table with 100k chips then another guy showed up with 100k then one with 5k so, there only were three of us at the table with 10 seats...On the very first hand the the bet was 1k preflop
I had 6,2 and the flop was 6,2,2 so I was amazed that I had flopped a full house on the first hand , Well the other player with 100k goes all-in and I am thinking that he probably has trip 2's or a high pocket pair, well then the short stack goes all-in with his remaning 4k but I'm not concerned with the 4k so, of course I call but, what happened is just about mathmatically "IMPOSSIBLE" with 3 players.. The short stacked guy sucks out a 6 high "STRAIGHT FLUSH" the other guy has pocket 6's so my "FULL HOUSE" 6,6,2,2,2 get beat by 6,6,6,2,2 and his is beat by 2,3,4,5,6s..
It acually left me speachless......I just thought WOW ..That's NOT poker.....
needless to say "I WILL NEVER PLAY ON-LINE POKER FOR REAL MONEY"
Really if this does not convince you that PARTY POKER is RIGGED then I don't know what will.............................................................................
If you play it for a while the patterns become obvious...
If you can't see it, then you're BLIND
There were also plenty of self proclaimed POKER KINGS OR POKER GODS laughing about the way that I played and asking if I only make safe bets or telling me that the PRO's say you should play on-line poker just like you would real poker....LOL.. What a JOKE...Well I say otherwise !! I surely hope this helps someone....

TEX

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: dbtony on Monday, July 09 2007 @ 10:19 AM EDT
Thanks Tex

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: brett21 on Monday, July 09 2007 @ 08:04 PM EDT
Yep, it sure is. It's rigged to keep most of us in the states from playing there. Whether it is rigged to steal money is obvious...it's not. All of that stuff you were talking about, I've seen live. Variance occurs...weird things happen...to quote Dumb and Dumber when told he has one chance in a million to be with a very attractive girl...Jim Carrey's character said..."so, you're sayin' there's a chance?" Because of the sheer volume of hands, the bizarre happens more often.

As far as the real money, I am NOT a good cash game player and when I was on the site, I used it strictly for cash game practice. I deposited $200. After initially losing a $100 the first two weeks, I rallied and was able to not only make up my loss, but wound up cashing out for just over $600. Not huge, but considering I didn't play a lot of cash games and I suck at them to boot, I felt that was a pretty good result.

Basically, if you're losing decide HONESTLY if it's strictly bad luck. You will have shorterm bad luck in this game, but if you're playing well the math will catch up. Just as a quick little example of how this can happen in real life consider the plight of Ryan Daut the second day of this years main event. Flopped quads and then was drawing dead after the turn. He had 88 the flop came [8♥] [7♥] 8. The money went in and the guy he was headsup against tabled [9♥][10♥]. The turn was the [J♥].

(If you don't believe me here is the link to the story.) Good luck!!

http://www.cardplayer.com/tournaments/live_updates/7278/11406



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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: anonymous3 on Saturday, January 12 2008 @ 10:39 AM EST
I am playing in three different tourney's at one time on PokerStars (Trying to test my theory there.) I am doing great, and here is the status.

Tourney 1 Table 6 ($35,520) 4th place out of 500 still in.

Tourney 2 Table 19 ($22,000) 2nd place out of 1020 still in.

Tourney 3 Table 2 ($220,545) 2nd place out of 8 still in. (On bubble)


These are the cards that are dealt.

Tourney 1 As Ah
I raise 5K before the flop and am called by the big stack.
Flop comes Ac Ad Td
I check
Opponent Bets 15K (Ouch!)
I call
Turn 7c
I check.
Big stack bets me all in. I have the nuts I call.
Cards revealed he has Qd Jd. He is drawing to an inside Royal flush
River Kd...

Tourney 2 Jc Jd
I bet 3K before the flop. The big stack calls.
Flop Qs Js 5c.
I bet 3K.
Big stack calls
Turn Jh.
I bet 5K.
Big Stack Raises me all in.
I call, again I have the nuts.
Cards revealed he has 9s 8s again drawing to an inside straight flush.
River 10s...

Tourney 3 Qc Qs
I bet 20K before the flop.
Three callers including the big stack.
Flop comes Qh Qd 5c
I check.
Big stack bets me all in.
Both other players fold.
I call. Again I have the *&&^^%$ nuts.
Cards revealed He has 4c Ac. he is drawing to a 2 gap inside Straight Flush.
Turn 3c
River 2c...


These three hands were literally at the same time in the three tourney's. In a matter of one minute I go from heavy favorite to finish in the money in three tourney's to out...

Then when I go back to look at the hand histories, so I can post them they tell me "History not available" WTF?!?

So I email them and what do I get...

Hello wackywizjr,

I regret to inform you that your account is under suspension do to allegations from other players. You may still continue to play and deposit money, but no withdrawals will be allowed pending this investigations results.

We are sorry for any inconvenience this causes you, and should have the hands in question investigated within a couple of months


Best Regards,
Tim
PokerStars Support Team


So I email them again asking them just what I have been accused of?

I get back

Hello wackywizjr,

I regret to inform you that your account is under suspension do to allegations from other players. You may still continue to play and deposit money, but no withdrawals will be allowed pending this investigations results.

We are sorry for any inconvenience this causes you, and should have the hands in question investigated within a couple of months


Best Regards,
Tim
PokerStars Support Team

So I send a third email asking to speak with a supervisor.

I have, as of yet, gotten no answer...

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: Stepchap on Saturday, August 01 2009 @ 07:40 PM EDT
BIG FUCKING SURPRISE!!! GET A CLUE... THEY ALL EAT SHIT!!!!

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: shelley_c on Sunday, February 17 2008 @ 10:32 AM EST
You are spot on with your comments, Party Poker is 100% rigged!! There is no doubt about it in my mind.

The ridiculous amount of bad beats on there speak for themselves, some days you will keep getting hands and can't seem to lose and others can't catch a thing. Someone always has the absolute nuts and I've never seen so many flushes and full houses come out in my life. It's an absolute joke.

I've played on many of the online sites and have given up on all of them except Full Tilt, which I joined about 3 months ago and have to say is definately the best and fairest around.

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: Stepchap on Saturday, August 01 2009 @ 07:43 PM EDT
FULL TILT IS JUST AS FUCKED UP AS THE REST OF THEM. DO THE RESEARCH YOURSELF. I ALREADY HAVE... SO WISE UP, MORON!!!!

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: Scruyu on Monday, July 21 2008 @ 03:12 PM EDT
Even the play chip site is rigged. 2-3 seats are always dealt over 2/3 of all winning hands. It happens 99% of the time.

Wise up, Partypoker retards, or lose your players.

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: brett21 on Tuesday, July 22 2008 @ 05:39 PM EDT
Ah yes, a post from the past. It's still as ignorant now as it was then. Of course I'm the luckiest man alive. I've hit four one outers in the last three years. I've made four straight flushes and one royal. I've had quads around 10 times in that span. I've busted folks out of tourneys with 2 3 off. I am without question a luckbox of the highest order.

Of course the fact I'm a luckbox is not true. If I want to focus on the bad luck part of it I could. I did lose 27 coinflips for all my money in a row, summer before last. I am in the midst of losing about ninety percent of all in confrontations with A rax versus K medium. During one stretch six times in a row that I was dealt pocket kings, someone else had bullets...and I lost each time. The first time I ever had AA I lost them to Q3 suited.

That last one was live. Bad luck is a part of poker. Always has been, always will be. Coolers happen..live or on line. Again it's simple math if you play enough hands you'll virtually see anything. For you guys to say that the online card rooms that are making millions a month by playing square, would cheat...is plain stupid. Truly dumb. Either play at a lower limit...or don't play at all. Believe me when I say I'm on the worst streak I've been on this summer. I am 0-11 in sitngos...and have not had a winning session on limit poker in my last 10. But, it is variance..you ride it out and you move on. You guys that are against on line are either too weak to deal with the negative variance...or a bunch of whiners. If you want help dealing with the pitfalls of on line ask. If you want sympathy..who knows you may get it here. If you want to complain and tell us something we KNOW not to be true and waste our space...go somewhere else.


As the old Indian said, I have spoken.

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"To beat a donkey you must think like a donkey"

Poker Stars Brett21
Full Tilt Slick21
PartyPoker SlickAds21
UB lane21
Pacific Poker Slick626

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: marco on Wednesday, July 23 2008 @ 09:35 AM EDT
"I did lose 27 coinflips for all my money in a row, summer before last."

Odds of this are 143,000,000 to 1. It's just variance though.

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: brett21 on Wednesday, July 23 2008 @ 05:46 PM EDT
wow...those are long odds...wished I would've just won the lotto instead. :)

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"To beat a donkey you must think like a donkey"

Poker Stars Brett21
Full Tilt Slick21
PartyPoker SlickAds21
UB lane21
Pacific Poker Slick626

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: Stepchap on Saturday, August 01 2009 @ 07:37 PM EDT
FUCK YOU RETARDED PIECE OF PIG SHIT. GET A FUCKING CLUE, MORON

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: kickyourace on Monday, July 21 2008 @ 11:30 PM EDT
He is right. All the sites are rigged. The fact that I won a satellite to the Aussie Millions on Party Poker and three weeks ago, won the Satellite to the WSOP ME on Poker Stars proves it.

No one should play on line. Someone is going to win and it's going to be me.



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Disclaimer: Any message I post about any poker game should be read for entertainment purpose only. I know not what I say and I do what the voices tell me to.

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: Stepchap on Saturday, August 01 2009 @ 07:35 PM EDT
FUCK YOU ASSHOLE

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: cotter111 on Sunday, August 02 2009 @ 10:31 PM EDT
It all comes back to me now.


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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: Stepchap on Saturday, August 01 2009 @ 07:26 PM EDT
You are totally correct!! Even the free site is rigged, but I assume they use the same dealing program.

Need proof? Watch how only 2 seats are always dealt over 2/3 of all winning hands. No skill needed.... just pick the right fucking seat.

This is the result of my observation of over 10,000 hands. The pattern is undeniable. The laws of probability do not apply.

Don't take my word. Check it yourself. And don't play for REAL money on any of these bullshit internet sites. They're ALL rigged. EVERY FUCKING ONE OF THEM.

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: brett21 on Saturday, August 01 2009 @ 10:49 PM EDT
Well, after four years of steady on line playing...mainly low stakes...I can say it's a money maker. You may have observation, I have results. I put in sixty dollars four years ago in Full tilt...from that I was able to cash out over the years around almost three grand. Not a lot for some of the better players, but pretty good considering the stakes. I think the key is money management. In that time, I've played probably a couple of million hands from tourneys of $1 to a couple of lucky shots at that Sunday Milllions. I've seen it all. I think you're wrong, but, you didn't come here for intelligent debate. You came to call names and act like a middle school bully.

I mean, I could call you all sorts of names. I mean, I could say you're a twelve year old simpleton. I could point out that the best part of you ran down you're momma's leg. But, instead, I'll just wish you luck in dealing with having a vagina between your legs.

Have a good day!

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"To beat a donkey you must think like a donkey"

Poker Stars Brett21
Full Tilt Slick21

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: lawson on Tuesday, August 04 2009 @ 02:08 AM EDT
although stepchap makes some good points, i don't believe the "rigged" theory holds water

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: dbtony on Tuesday, August 04 2009 @ 10:51 AM EDT
Don't be a moran.

Everyone knows how winning and losing accounts are predetermined when they are opened.
A player might be able to sway his/her luck knob a bit, but all in all, winning or losing online has less to do about one's play than the account they were given.

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Gee_Man
"Since he called your reraise preflop, his range can be narrowed to top 5"

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: lawson on Tuesday, August 04 2009 @ 11:37 AM EDT
eat my feces you half-wit

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: dbtony on Tuesday, August 04 2009 @ 02:29 PM EDT
moran

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Gee_Man
"Since he called your reraise preflop, his range can be narrowed to top 5"

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: lawson on Tuesday, August 04 2009 @ 11:06 PM EDT
you racist piece of garbage

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: dbtony on Monday, August 31 2009 @ 02:54 PM EDT
Your so stupid!

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Gee_Man
"Since he called your reraise preflop, his range can be narrowed to top 5"

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: lawson on Tuesday, September 01 2009 @ 02:23 AM EDT
dbtony is a shill for the online poker industry. EXPOSED!!!!

& dont think i dont know what im talking about because i scored well on some tests.

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: nero5150 on Monday, August 31 2009 @ 05:06 AM EDT
Heh. I couldn't have said it any better. This post echoes my thoughts 100% on the money. I also am no dumb-ass, I score very high in the logic/mathmatics,etc. department, and in my opinion these online poker sites are so obviously rigged it's rediculous. What I cannot understand are all the supposedly good players that always post rebuttals to the "online poker is rigged" threads. I mean, to me, the difference between live games and online games is night and day. It's more than night and day, it's like frozen wasteland and a million degrees, volcanoes and lava everywhere hell. Lol seriously. It's so fucking obvious that something is very wrong with the cards. It's not even complex mathematics. The shit that happens on a regular basis at Party Poker and EVERY other sight are beyond improbable, it's fucking IMPOSSIBLE. And I highly suspect that anyone that posts a record of a million legit hands played is a shill for the gambling sites. Everyong has public relations shills working for them on the internet, I'm sure since the poker sites are rigged they are no different.

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: marco on Tuesday, September 01 2009 @ 04:35 PM EDT
"What I cannot understand are all the supposedly good players that always post rebuttals to the "online poker is rigged" threads."

Nero, these folks fall into one of these categories:

1) They work for an online site or play professionally and need to spin the obvious to keep poker going.

2) Addicted gamblers

3) Extremely naive people

A lot of these clowns will throw out fancy terms like "running bad" or "variance". Everyone knows someone who makes money playing online. Of course the online sites have to issue an occasional "lucky account" to keep everyone's hopes alive. It would not make sense to scam 100% of the players.

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: brett21 on Friday, September 04 2009 @ 01:07 AM EDT
Okay, let's say all of this is true. Then don't play on them. Let the 'morons' play on them all they want. What does it matter to you if a bunch of people want to play in what is, as I think I'm correct in describing, a lotto with cards?

Since, all of us naive people were put in categories, I'll go ahead and put the other type into categories.

A. People who have serious leaks that caused them to lose it all. (poor money managers, fall in love with a suited ace, etc.)

B. People who weren't that good to begin with, but can't live with the fact that their poor play is the reason why they lost. (So, it has to be the site)

C. People who have a personal axe to grind for some other reason.

You can give me math, I'll give you common sense. They're making bunches on top of bunches without rigging it...if it ever came out that they were, the money would stop coming. In short, it's not in their best interest to rig it. In fact it would be total lunacy. To say it was stupid would be like saying the sun was kind of warm.

But, if you think on line poker rooms rig their sites, DON'T play. While I thank you for your public service announcement, I will probably play here and there until I get bored with it or go broke.

By the way, I'm not a shill, I could care less if you or anyone else plays. While it's possible I'm naive in this matter, I'll still bring up the matter that I'm a decent player at best and am still able to bring in a modest profit. I do run very bad on occasion (like this month where I'm down over a hundred) but I feel my management skills are pretty damn good and that's why I wind up ahead every year. I guess I have one of those winning account numbers.

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"To beat a donkey you must think like a donkey"

Poker Stars Brett21
Full Tilt Slick21

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: marco on Friday, September 04 2009 @ 09:43 AM EDT
Brett,

I stopped playing online for good about a year ago. I played a lot from 2003-2006. I logged well over a million hands. I'm no genius but I have a pretty high math IQ. I was also part time Blackjack pro in the late 90's and early 00's. I've been around the industry awhile.

I gave online poker the benefit of the doubt for a long long time. It is just so convenient. I really don't have the luxury to drive 90 minutes to the nearest poker room and then wait on a list another 30 minutes only to play 20 hands per hour. I'd seen enough BS and felt pretty comfortable with the decision to stop playing.

In a perfect world the skill level of online poker players would be even. Good and bad runs would of course happen, but the sites would get their 9% tourney rake or 5% cash game rake. Players bankrolls would last forever and the sites would grind out a consistent profit.

The major flaw was that there is just to much skill disparity between players. There are too many bad players out there. The fish should have died off by now. The volume should be a lot lower than it currently is. The only way to keep games going was to rig the cards in favor of the poor players.

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: lawson on Friday, September 04 2009 @ 01:23 PM EDT
i'm guessing choice "B"

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: marco on Friday, September 04 2009 @ 01:37 PM EDT
Terrible guess. How can anyone be "A" but not "B"? The only acceptable answers would be "C" or none of the above.

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: brett21 on Saturday, September 05 2009 @ 11:01 AM EDT
Well, there probably isn't a 'None of the Above' in this unless he was INSANELY unlucky. There are good players with leaks that cost them quite a bit....doesn't mean they're bad players, just means they still need some time in the farm system before they're ready for the big time. So, A B and C are all different choices. :)

Now as far as your reasoning on why the sites would risk this, to keep the fish in the game longer, it does make some sense. (Maybe that's why I have been in the game so long.) It's an argument I haven't heard in fact. But, the whole fact of the matter is that they are still taking a bigger risk than necessary. They would still make more money than I can even imagine just running it like an on line casino without taking a risk.

But, like I said, if it's rigged it would still be gross stupidity considering what they would lose if it came out they were rigging hands.

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"To beat a donkey you must think like a donkey"

Poker Stars Brett21
Full Tilt Slick21

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: marco on Sunday, September 06 2009 @ 09:32 PM EDT
I don't believe in good players with "leaks". I consider this a "bad" player. Same thing with good players that constantly go bankrupt by playing above their roll. Again this is a "bad" player that does not understand the game of poker or more importantly "risk of ruin."

A Vegas casino that cheats is taking a HUGE risk. They get shut down by the gaming board and they are f'd. I don't see the same risk in online poker. Who regulates this? What exactly is the risk? How exactly would they get caught?

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: nomoreppplaying on Tuesday, October 20 2009 @ 01:55 AM EDT
I first started playing on Party Poker a few months ago. I did at first win a few thousand and after withdrawing I've noticed a constant theme. I haven't changed my style from other sites which I typcially win at (not big money but spending money none the less) and although I do go on swings sometimes like everyone something just happened the other day that will never get me back on party poker again.

I was playing on four different tables. On on table I flopped trip aces with one heart on the board. needless to say the turn was another heart and the river a third. Lost to some low card flush. Second had I flopped top two pair with the winner rivering a set. Third hand I flopped top pair and lost to a turned set, and finally the last hand I had a3, flop came aak, turn k, and river k. Needless to say I was killing every hand thinking I would at least win one. I didn't win any and it basically killed my bankroll. Of course this happened after going on a decent winning streak and withdrawing 1/4 of my profit.

This has been a common theme for me on pp. Win quickly at first, make a withdrawl, grind out for a bit, bad beat galore. After a few weeks of this I'm either extremly unlucky, or the site is rigged, or maybe both.

The odds of losing those hands all at the same time in pretty much on the river to draws must be astronomical. Just saying.

I'll stick to ps and ft from now on...

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: dbtony on Tuesday, October 20 2009 @ 05:18 PM EDT
You think FT or PS won't catch up to you as well?



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Gee_Man
"Since he called your reraise preflop, his range can be narrowed to top 5"

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: DevilFlush on Wednesday, October 21 2009 @ 09:29 AM EDT
It is likely the day you normally play on PP that is the problem.

I'm not sure if you've noticed, but PP only pays well on Wednedays and Thursdays--I haven't figured out why yet, but I'm pretty sure it's due to shifts in the ionosphere which affect all electronic systems--but especially random number generators.

If you play PP on Saturday, for example, you will find that your flopped sets will get outdrawn 75% of the time.

On Sundays, sets will hold up, but 2/3 of flopped 2-pairs will be rivered by flushes.

You just need to adjust your play based on the day of the week, and once you fix this leak in your game your profits will skyrocket*.


* results not guaranteed.



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I have no opinion.

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: bpurdon on Wednesday, January 06 2010 @ 12:10 AM EST
I have to agree that Party Poker is rigged

I have been playing online poker for four years and have made a bit of money in that time. The only site where I lose money is partypoker. I can not believe the incredible BAD BEATS on that site. Of couse I do have losing streaks on all sites but the poker hands ive lost on partypoker has left me dumbfounded.

I am conviced that partypoker is rigged.

STAY AWAY FROM THAT POKER SITE. IT IS A RIP OFF.

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: Gee_Man on Wednesday, January 06 2010 @ 08:54 AM EST
Have you ever taken one of your "bad beats" and replayed the hand in your mind?

Perhaps you didn't have to be in the situation to shove with your JJ and watch their A2 call and hammer the A on the river.

Your game will take a turn for the better if you open your mind to other ways of thinking.


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I've made a lot of money in my life. Most of it spent on booze, women, and gambling. The rest I wasted.

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: dbtony on Thursday, January 07 2010 @ 03:10 PM EST
Well said Gee.

As stupid as anything you have ever posted, but well said.

Just to throw this back at you Gee, what hands, if any, are you willing to play against A2?

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Gee_Man
"Since he called your reraise preflop, his range can be narrowed to top 5"

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: Gee_Man on Friday, January 08 2010 @ 09:13 AM EST
Are you serious dude?

Do you really want to get your same old crap started again?



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I've made a lot of money in my life. Most of it spent on booze, women, and gambling. The rest I wasted.

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: dbtony on Friday, January 08 2010 @ 11:52 AM EST
You are such a dope. You just told someone he would have better results if he stopped getting it all in with JJ vs A2.

I understand you do not know how dumb you are, but take it from me, your stupidty knows no boundaries. This means you are a tad smarter than dirt.

Go back to posting about Joe Sebok's sex life.

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Gee_Man
"Since he called your reraise preflop, his range can be narrowed to top 5"

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: Gee_Man on Friday, January 08 2010 @ 12:31 PM EST
it is very clear you don't comprehend the point.

I'm not going to argue with you but you really have some issues man.

I truely do feel sorry for you.

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I've made a lot of money in my life. Most of it spent on booze, women, and gambling. The rest I wasted.

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: Gee_Man on Friday, January 08 2010 @ 04:55 PM EST
Have a good weekend db. Any action packed plans? I can only imagine.

Play chess?
Look for bargains at the mall?
walk your dog?






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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: pokerace007 on Saturday, January 30 2010 @ 07:32 PM EST
Definitely rigged!
Someone told me they have their own "employees" playing who invariably win......

It's so obvious if you look......

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Party Poker Rigged
Authored by: dean977 on Wednesday, April 21 2010 @ 02:40 PM EDT
100 percent agree.People that disagree should try out there black jack games its so rigged its comical.I guarantee once you either sit at at a table or watch other players you will agree. Come on partypoker atleast make it not so obvious. Again people don't take my word for it go have a look and save your loot from these thieves

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